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	<title>Comments on: HOWTO: Leopard Time Machine over iSCSI</title>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
		<link>http://www.brad-x.com/2007/10/27/howto-leopard-time-machine-over-iscsi#comment-9311</link>
		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 19 Apr 2008 17:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Made it work like a champ... global iSCSI + Ubuntu 7.10 + iET + Linux RAID 

I have 30 GB worth of time Machine backup running quite nicely.... Oh.. and since it's LVM on linux it can snapshot the time machine.  Without jumbo Frames I get 100Mb/sec transfer... one Intel Pro100MT NIC and the setup will be Jumbo Frames capable.
Copied several 6Gb DVD images... works great.

SMB w/ its locking &#38; Disconnect semantics... SUX.

There is a REASON the variable is called "UnsupportedNetworkVolumes".... because they don't work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Made it work like a champ&#8230; global iSCSI + Ubuntu 7.10 + iET + Linux RAID </p>
<p>I have 30 GB worth of time Machine backup running quite nicely&#8230;. Oh.. and since it&#8217;s LVM on linux it can snapshot the time machine.  Without jumbo Frames I get 100Mb/sec transfer&#8230; one Intel Pro100MT NIC and the setup will be Jumbo Frames capable.<br />
Copied several 6Gb DVD images&#8230; works great.</p>
<p>SMB w/ its locking &amp; Disconnect semantics&#8230; SUX.</p>
<p>There is a REASON the variable is called &#8220;UnsupportedNetworkVolumes&#8221;&#8230;. because they don&#8217;t work.</p>
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		<title>By: DrFooMod2</title>
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		<dc:creator>DrFooMod2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Feb 2008 00:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wanted to report that I succeeded in using iSCSI (on an Openfiler server) with Time Machine via a gigabit link with jumbo packets enabled.  The secret to my success?  I used the iSCSI initiator from http://www.small-tree.com/.  It appears as if the iSCSI initiator from globalSAN is just a plain broke down piece of shit.  Well, you do get what you pay for.  Oh well. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wanted to report that I succeeded in using iSCSI (on an Openfiler server) with Time Machine via a gigabit link with jumbo packets enabled.  The secret to my success?  I used the iSCSI initiator from <a href="http://www.small-tree.com/" >http://www.small-tree.com/</a>.  It appears as if the iSCSI initiator from globalSAN is just a plain broke down piece of shit.  Well, you do get what you pay for.  Oh well. <img src='http://www.brad-x.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Pete McCollough</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete McCollough</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Dec 2007 11:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ladies and Gentlemen,
I think the big piece of this discussion that is missing is the Jumbo Frame Capability of the switch and the tuning of the iSCSI server to meet the switch. 

This is most likely the cause of the issues people are seeing.

Check this out:
http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=89589&#38;page_number=2</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ladies and Gentlemen,<br />
I think the big piece of this discussion that is missing is the Jumbo Frame Capability of the switch and the tuning of the iSCSI server to meet the switch. </p>
<p>This is most likely the cause of the issues people are seeing.</p>
<p>Check this out:<br />
<a href="http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=89589&amp;page_number=2" >http://www.byteandswitch.com/document.asp?doc_id=89589&amp;page_number=2</a></p>
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		<title>By: Dick Davies</title>
		<link>http://www.brad-x.com/2007/10/27/howto-leopard-time-machine-over-iscsi#comment-8175</link>
		<dc:creator>Dick Davies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Dec 2007 22:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What about the Nagle problem?

http://blogs.sun.com/constantin/entry/x4500_solaris_zfs_iscsi_perfect</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about the Nagle problem?</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.sun.com/constantin/entry/x4500_solaris_zfs_iscsi_perfect" >http://blogs.sun.com/constantin/entry/x4500_solaris_zfs_iscsi_perfect</a></p>
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		<title>By: Wouter</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wouter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2007 13:21:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

I just want to report that I'm using iscsi/timemachine without any problem.

I've configured my Ubuntu Linux 7.10 Server with iscsi-enterprice-target. I installed Global San's initiator on my G5. Over Gbit ethernet the transfer speed from server to server is about 20 - 30 mb/s. 

I'm very happy with this setup because all the file management is native mac.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>I just want to report that I&#8217;m using iscsi/timemachine without any problem.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve configured my Ubuntu Linux 7.10 Server with iscsi-enterprice-target. I installed Global San&#8217;s initiator on my G5. Over Gbit ethernet the transfer speed from server to server is about 20 - 30 mb/s. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m very happy with this setup because all the file management is native mac.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Nov 2007 19:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much for it being the switch. I tried it with the Extreme Networks Summit 24 switch I have and it locked up solid almost instantly. Boy that's annoying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much for it being the switch. I tried it with the Extreme Networks Summit 24 switch I have and it locked up solid almost instantly. Boy that&#8217;s annoying.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad,

I thought about the switch issues too. I almost bought an expensive gigabit switch the other day but couldn't justify the cost. I have a Summit 24 10/100 switch that is more industrial strength that I've thought of testing with. The pity is it's only 100 Megabit. I guess I'll give it a go. I do like the fact that you can now use a network drive. Otherwise I guess I'll put it on hold and wait for the native iSCSI support to appear in Disk Utility. It's missing from the 10.5.0 release. (I'm totally bummed about that..)

Giacy, unfortunately that menu pick isn't in my Disk Utility menu. Apparently it's a feature that was removed prior to release. I'm wondering if it made it into Leopard Server. Any ideas?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad,</p>
<p>I thought about the switch issues too. I almost bought an expensive gigabit switch the other day but couldn&#8217;t justify the cost. I have a Summit 24 10/100 switch that is more industrial strength that I&#8217;ve thought of testing with. The pity is it&#8217;s only 100 Megabit. I guess I&#8217;ll give it a go. I do like the fact that you can now use a network drive. Otherwise I guess I&#8217;ll put it on hold and wait for the native iSCSI support to appear in Disk Utility. It&#8217;s missing from the 10.5.0 release. (I&#8217;m totally bummed about that..)</p>
<p>Giacy, unfortunately that menu pick isn&#8217;t in my Disk Utility menu. Apparently it&#8217;s a feature that was removed prior to release. I&#8217;m wondering if it made it into Leopard Server. Any ideas?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 18:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brad going with your new suggestion.  Works like a charm.  Thanks again.  I will check your blog for more helpful advice on a regular basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brad going with your new suggestion.  Works like a charm.  Thanks again.  I will check your blog for more helpful advice on a regular basis.</p>
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		<title>By: giacy</title>
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		<dc:creator>giacy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 22:32:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you already tried to use the iscsi initiator function enbedded in disk utility for leopard?
http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a377a/source/25.html

Ciao!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you already tried to use the iscsi initiator function enbedded in disk utility for leopard?<br />
<a href="http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a377a/source/25.html" >http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/leopard9a377a/source/25.html</a></p>
<p>Ciao!!</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:03:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jeff / Kirk: I've begun running into the same issues as you both, and have discontinued using globalSAN for now. 

I'll be continuing to troubleshoot it though, as iSCSI support on the Mac is something I'm interested in from my days of working on storage projects with various employers.

Food for thought for you guys though, one thing I'm wondering about is the switches. While large file copies and older Macs may place less stress on a regular old network switch, faster Macs or aggressive activities like a Time Machine backup may make the Mac more dependent on SCSI control messaging. If the switch corrupts frames and resends have to take place, this might be exposing bugs in globalSAN.

I don't know about you guys but the switches I'm using for my home LAN are pretty low-end. I'm going to try it with some higher end equipment as an experiment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jeff / Kirk: I&#8217;ve begun running into the same issues as you both, and have discontinued using globalSAN for now. </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be continuing to troubleshoot it though, as iSCSI support on the Mac is something I&#8217;m interested in from my days of working on storage projects with various employers.</p>
<p>Food for thought for you guys though, one thing I&#8217;m wondering about is the switches. While large file copies and older Macs may place less stress on a regular old network switch, faster Macs or aggressive activities like a Time Machine backup may make the Mac more dependent on SCSI control messaging. If the switch corrupts frames and resends have to take place, this might be exposing bugs in globalSAN.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know about you guys but the switches I&#8217;m using for my home LAN are pretty low-end. I&#8217;m going to try it with some higher end equipment as an experiment.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jeff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 01:48:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just ran across your blog post while googling for Mac Pro lockups using GlobalSAN. I have openfiler 2.2 setup over a gigabit lan and my Mac Pro 3Ghz machine with 8 GB of RAM will lock up when transferring files to an iSCSI disk on the filer. However, my dual 2 Ghz G5 machine runs the globalSAN initiator connected to the same iSCSI share without issue. I've used Time Machine on the G5 and it backs up to the iSCSI disk flawlessly however it's throughput is much slower than the Mac Pro. When it's working, I've gotten between 35-60 MB/s on the Mac Pro whereas the Dual G5 averages around 10-20 MB/s. Anyone else have any comments? I'm looking for a way to make the Mac Pro reliable when connecting to the iSCSI disk. Maybe when Apple releases their built in iSCSI initiator in Leopard our problems will be gone. I hope so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just ran across your blog post while googling for Mac Pro lockups using GlobalSAN. I have openfiler 2.2 setup over a gigabit lan and my Mac Pro 3Ghz machine with 8 GB of RAM will lock up when transferring files to an iSCSI disk on the filer. However, my dual 2 Ghz G5 machine runs the globalSAN initiator connected to the same iSCSI share without issue. I&#8217;ve used Time Machine on the G5 and it backs up to the iSCSI disk flawlessly however it&#8217;s throughput is much slower than the Mac Pro. When it&#8217;s working, I&#8217;ve gotten between 35-60 MB/s on the Mac Pro whereas the Dual G5 averages around 10-20 MB/s. Anyone else have any comments? I&#8217;m looking for a way to make the Mac Pro reliable when connecting to the iSCSI disk. Maybe when Apple releases their built in iSCSI initiator in Leopard our problems will be gone. I hope so.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 00:44:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Same result.  No problems with large file transfers at all.  Time Machine still freezes the Mac it is running on.   If you have any additional ideas regarding Time Machine let me know.  Would love to get it working with iSCSI.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Same result.  No problems with large file transfers at all.  Time Machine still freezes the Mac it is running on.   If you have any additional ideas regarding Time Machine let me know.  Would love to get it working with iSCSI.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Nov 2007 01:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5GB, MacPro 2.66 GHz.  Should not be a memory issue.  Enabled Data and Header checking and will try some large file transfers to determine if it is a globalSAN to Time Machine issue.  Thanks once again for your help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>5GB, MacPro 2.66 GHz.  Should not be a memory issue.  Enabled Data and Header checking and will try some large file transfers to determine if it is a globalSAN to Time Machine issue.  Thanks once again for your help.</p>
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		<title>By: brad</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kirk: Interesting. How much RAM do you have in your Mac? I think your issue may be related to Nick's - globalSAN may have issues allocating memory in low memory conditions or in cases where the file exceeds a certain buffer size.

The globalSAN software is still in beta, so I'm hoping they're actively working on improvements/official word on Leopard support. I've had a couple of non-serious issues using it with time machine so far, but nothing major as my home directory / documents folders tend not to contain huge files (those are generally already on my fileservers via other protocols).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kirk: Interesting. How much RAM do you have in your Mac? I think your issue may be related to Nick&#8217;s - globalSAN may have issues allocating memory in low memory conditions or in cases where the file exceeds a certain buffer size.</p>
<p>The globalSAN software is still in beta, so I&#8217;m hoping they&#8217;re actively working on improvements/official word on Leopard support. I&#8217;ve had a couple of non-serious issues using it with time machine so far, but nothing major as my home directory / documents folders tend not to contain huge files (those are generally already on my fileservers via other protocols).</p>
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		<title>By: Kirk</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kirk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Nov 2007 14:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your post.

I can connect just fine however my machine locks-up every time Time Machine starts the backup. Gets through about 1 GB and freezes my Mac.  Linux box is not impacted.   Any ideas what could be causing this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your post.</p>
<p>I can connect just fine however my machine locks-up every time Time Machine starts the backup. Gets through about 1 GB and freezes my Mac.  Linux box is not impacted.   Any ideas what could be causing this?</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Pope</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick Pope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Nov 2007 23:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have tried this same setup.  I had complete success backing up 25G from a MacBook Pro over GigE to openfiler (Linux).  I let it back up for over a day with no problems.

However, when trying to stress things a bit on a Mac Pro by copying a 4G file to an HFS+ formatted volume (again from openfiler), it hung after 1 gig or so :(

I've also tried FreeNAS but that never got past 100M or so.

I tried the copies multiple times - after a reboot :( - to both openfiler and FreeNAS.  I cannot get the 4G file to copy no matter what.

I would really love for this thing to work.  I may submit some traces to the globalSAN guys to see if I can get it worked out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have tried this same setup.  I had complete success backing up 25G from a MacBook Pro over GigE to openfiler (Linux).  I let it back up for over a day with no problems.</p>
<p>However, when trying to stress things a bit on a Mac Pro by copying a 4G file to an HFS+ formatted volume (again from openfiler), it hung after 1 gig or so <img src='http://www.brad-x.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also tried FreeNAS but that never got past 100M or so.</p>
<p>I tried the copies multiple times - after a reboot <img src='http://www.brad-x.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> - to both openfiler and FreeNAS.  I cannot get the 4G file to copy no matter what.</p>
<p>I would really love for this thing to work.  I may submit some traces to the globalSAN guys to see if I can get it worked out.</p>
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